No two families are the same. Do people need personal space? They are well-behaved (for the most part) because they are used to it. Once, I was at a laser show at Universal Studios. They just won’t get my business. I don’t mind businesses making rules, I just won’t give them my business. Being strangers, there wasn’t a whole lot that we could do to keep the kids under control. I do LOVE the idea of babysitting being offered during grocery shopping! I meant forced into first class. Yes I ate cold meals at restaurants because what we thought would work didn’t and we ended up eating in shifts. She has her moments (at home) but I will take her places with me too. We were eating in Pizza Hut one evening when a little girl, about 5 years old, was throwing a fit about eating pizza and a salad. I could have just ignored it, but I’m tired of the attitude. I, too, struggle with the idea of children being catered to in worship. Going out to eat is a major treat in our house and they now realize that they don’t want to blow it with bad behavior! Babies crying on planes? Where will it end? The ban should be on inappropriate behavior, and that should include adults as well as children. Kirsten, Kids need to learn from their parents how to act in all situations. But if, like in the Whole Foods example, they provided child care, I’d say halleluia! There are still a lot more of us, and we have the benefit of ferocity when it comes to protecting the world we want our kids to inherit. I NEED the break! (Available on YouTube) They kicked someone (over 18) out for using her cellphone in the middle of the movie. But when parents take their kids out in public and let the children behave as though they’re at home, running and screaming and playing, that’s a problem. They couldn’t believe that the dad didn’t take her out. A restaurant in North Carolina has made it quite clear with a sign on its doors: “Screaming Children Will NOT Be Tolerated!” Malaysia Airlines recently announced that children are banned from first class. Didn’t realize I had that much to say! But the grocery store, or even the mall and department stores, are not places that serve primarily childless people. THEIR LACK OF TEACHING MANNERS OR DISCIPLINING THEIR KIDS OR TAKING THEIR SCREAMING BABY AWAY FROM THE REST OF THE MAJORITY OF THE PEACEFUL FOLKS IS NOW FORCING BUSINESSES TO CREATE BRAT BANS!!! Let the kid sit right by yours and help entertain him through the service with books or stickers or something that you bring for them. I know lots of 2 1/2 year olds that are total opposites of my son and can behave themselves very well. Luckily, this has been the only business I’ve ever had a problem with regarding babies/kids I find most businesses where I live are welcoming of well-behaved kids and they continue to enjoy our business. She sits through over an hour of church every sunday, during nap time, and usually manages to be quiet enough to not need to be taken out into the hall (although if she starts getting fussy, we do go out of the chapel). If they are engaging their kid in conversation, maybe they aren’t catching (or maybe they just aren’t interpreting) the looks. if we are sandwiched between two tables of screamers…well that is tough, and our money was not well spent. All the people around us look over at them hoping they will get the hint. A friend of mine attends a small church where there is no nursery. This is silly. Then we would want to invite them out with us (from time to time) because we enjoy being with them and they with us. As many comments have already stated, the problem begins at home. I mentioned beneath another post that I was of two minds about this. Memer Squad Recommended for you. This was incomprehensible to me: physical rides have a height restriction to prevent young children from going on them, the same can be done for “scary” shows. He’s not there for the point of being there. In Sunday School, they can talk about God and Jesus, learn about the Bible, and do interactive activities – and they don’t have to sit still. I admit, sometimes you can’t leave, but I do like to hear the parent in the seat behind me attempt to get their child to stop kicking my seat rather than ignoring it. In Philadelphia, the Ritz theaters do not allow children under 6. The last thing I want to do to another parent is give a dirty look or say a rude comment while thier child is having a bad moment… Lord knows we’ve gotten enough of those and it makes the situation worse! I love my toddler but there are times that I want to spend some quiet time on a date with my husband or being out with friends. Businesses have the right to refuse service to anyone at any time for no good reason. With society becoming less rules oriented and structured the lines have become blurred. I think we tend to worry so much what will happen if we discipline our kids in public – whether that means a spanking, time out or a stern talking too….you never know when the (usually childless) random stranger comes to the kids “rescue” and confronts you on your parenting style. And seriously, airplanes. really loud. But if I went somewhere and was surprised at the door by their “no children” policy, I’d probably be mad and feel that their policy had wasted my time and energy. I am also very clear with her on what I expect when we go out. Out of the examples you give, I guess the one I agree with most is the one that states that screaming children will not be tolerated. But I’ve been squeamish to use it myself. We wanted to focus on each other, not exercise our compassion for others with kids. Sounds honestly like the poor restaurants are reacting against parents who either can’t control or have inappropriate expectations of their children. I will say though, I have a three year old who I take everywhere with me. I can see both sides of this. Most definitely. parents who let kids talk during church, those who talk loudly on cell phones in quiet coffee shops, gum poppers in libraries – you get my drift). Our church has the kids Sunday School classed during service. And that is the choice of the business, just like we as customers have a choice whether or not to support their business. but just as much you can move your seat or go else where. This is exactly what I would have typed It is great. I believe that our society has devalued children and made them “status symbols” and something “tolerated until they leave the home.”. It’s high time that there’s some place we can go that offers peace and quiet. When people in public cannot keep thier boring cell phone conversations to themselves, how can we expect them to know that we dont just love listening to all the screaming and tantrums that thier children subject the general public to? and shocked me by volunteering that if all the babies in the world and her dogs were thrown over a cliff, she would save her dogs first. I also like the idea of banning kids in the movies after a certain time, like 6pm. Wow. I agree with many of the comments above–it’s really a problem with parents. Ahh. Will COVID-19 pandemic die down with vaccine rollout? I had a man once be very ugly to me and a little girls mother ( a babysat for them) bc she was laughing at her movie Then when we were leaving the plane he wanted me to help him get something he had dropped. Keep taking your daughter to these places and keep expecting her to behave her best (no one is perfect, but you know what she can and can’t handle), and guess what, she will! I am talking small children, who have a hard time staying quiet and siting still and are still in training. Childcare in a grocery store? Jesus didn’t kick the kids out when the disciples wanted to, he said, “let them come to me!” Best thing you could do? There were times when they got fidgety but we took them for a walk through the train. I support there being adult only places. Kids are in general much more disrespectful of adults in general and parents are at a loss as to how to train their children basic respectfulness – let alone appropriate manners for an upscale restaurant. We all wish we have angelic 24-7, reality doesn’t always happen because of sleep, sickness, family, background and life experiences. Yikes) While it would be nice if only poorly behaved kids were banned, that would be a much more difficult policy to implement. Alot of you aren’t going to like this…. I think some venues aren’t appropriate for children. you take you bratts anywhere you want. I was about to post something similar to this. Are people letting them run wild and act out? So I actually don’t think it is unreasonable to have a sign that says “No screaming children are allowed.”. If there is a problem, would it not be better to simply ask the parent or grownup to take the child out for a few moments to settle down rather than simply say no children allowed? That being said…I would not boycott a business that just wants to promote certain events or hours as adult-only. You can watch a quiet movie at home, or eat a quiet dinner at home, just as easily as the children can stay home. This is a hard one. Honestly, the majority of the times that I have experienced disruptive children I have also noticed a lack of parental concern or involvement in solving the problem. But when I was little, if I had a meltdown in a store, my mom would just take me outside and I knew I was in trouble. Finally, as the final piece de resistance. baby with you!! We found this lovely little spot. 0:13. Of the four countries I have lived in, America is the least tolerant of children. But we are in public, so no one should be annoyed by the act of the child being taken out. Why would you expect that during the struggle through the teen years when they are fighting to find who they are and grow up that they would turn to a hypocritical adult for guidance? WHO DO THEY THINK THEY ARE? I was sure, being as hard nosed as they had always demonstrated that he would be kicked out if discovered in his pull-up! I think the problem might be the definition of “proper” behavior. We are now onto grandchildren, hence my gma name “Lovie” as posted. hate is hate and once banning segments of our society become acceptable, where will it end? Grocery shopping was always like pulling teeth when I was a kid, and you bet that most days had I had the option of hanging out with a coloring book instead I would have taken it! There should be expectations for conduct — regardless of age. In the “good old days”, there were more large extended families get together, even the singles would have experience with kids. Born on June 15 #10. An employee told him to stay put and called for his mom over the loud speaker. It is about respect for those around you, something that seems lost in our society. lol, Oh good grief and then their will be “granny free zones” and “mother in law free zones” and “wheelchair free zones” and then “parent free zones”… why don’t we all just get born into an exclusive club and never ever intermingle because we might learn something from another club and hay you wouldn’t want anyone to learn anything… This is such a weird first world idea – that people need their space. Exactly!! They also knew that if they did not behave that there were consequences. No problem. I am all about teaching manners, just remember monkey see monkey do And really don’t take your child somewhere that you would have to expect them to act like an adult…they are children! I agree it is the parents that do not either know how or care to discipline their children and feel it is okay to expose their children to everything society has to offer. What a brave woman to undertake such a topic publicly! The restaurants will more than likely loose alot of business doing that. The right to not be discriminated against based on age, gender, religion, etc…. My husband and I went through a haunted house one Halloween right behind a daddy who was carrying his little girl, approximately age 3, over his shoulder through the place! grownup movie, bar atmosphere, rides that are too dangerous for children…makes sense to me…for their own safety/well-being…probably shouldn’t be there). I have no kids but sit for my friends kids my godchild and as much as he acts up he knows how far he can go with pril. them to suit their own selfish needs. Further, when I was growing up, there were many places my parents did not take me because it was an adult space, not designed for children. Of course I remove my children from the situation when they’re acting up – if possible. In this instance, I was trying to figure out who the problem was, the child or parent. Definitely something we need to investigate and do better. I think that rule is catering to our lack of abblity to control what we bring into this world. It’s b/c of parents like this that people don’t want to be around children. Until very recently, I worked for an eye doctor. That being said, we try to handle it privately and remove him from the situation. As the problem is two sided, so is the solution: 1) children need to be taught that they are a wonderful addition to their families and to the world, not the center of either. And if we are out in public and they do meltdown, they get one warning or we leave. Here at we've collected the best free snake games, where you can slither and hunt in 2D and 3D environments. “I like how quietly you are waiting for your food to arrive. But as far as the whole foods thing goes… oh my gosh – free babysitting while I go grocery shopping!! Now I have to admit, because of a combination of luck and my zero tolerance policy on tantrums, I really haven’t had this problem myself. We know that children are sometimes well-behaved and sometimes need admonishment for their behavior. Those who treat staff in hotels and restaurants like alley dogs. Oh no! I could go on and on, and have already! THEY raised the monster children!!! If one or more children because restless, overly loud, or began to cry, one parent would remove the offending child(ren), until “order” was resumed. If more parents were willing to discriminate on their own when/where it is appropriate to take their kids, this wouldn’t be necessary. If it’s not a screaming child, it’ll be a bad steak, or an annoying waiter, or an argument with your husband. Sometimes it worked, sometimes it didn’t. You cannot get away from annoying people, unless you just stay home… which is maybe a good idea for those who think that they have the “right” to a perfect night out. I don’t have a problem with restaurants making kid-free zones any more than I have a problem with them requiring a jacket, or any other dress code. Frankly I don’t want to be exposed to a lot of so called “adult things.” But a whole food market – it’s laughable!!! Segregation in any form doesn’t represent life. When I was a kid, I would NEVER have misbehaved that way in public, my parents would have never allowed it. I love your comment, Mcrunner34… I fully agree. No no zone No No Square No No Square mully No No Square song no no square mully tiktok no no square original no no dont touch me there this is my no no square ... ree kid funny moments watchdog watchdog ree kid ree kid compilation channel vr compilations the no no rap no no square part 6 the no no … The DINKs want to exert influence on businesses to ban kids, then influence back if you are a parent with children of any age, even adult children. That said, I’d love free babysitting whilst I shop! We would never leave our child in the hands of a stranger so why do it in a store. I think it does make a statement on society and their opinion of children and people; even their own children. . I like that in other countries, people are very welcoming of kids but there are plenty of adult only places like bars and such so I’m not sure why our society doesn’t accept kids. I think more than anything we should be less judgmental and more understanding when we see a fussy kid in public and parents may not feel so under pressure or judged. The boys seat the girls, they mind their manners and have a great time. Period. Like my children! Like prisoners. We treat our children and our elderly poorly. Truly, I don’t like being next to a table with an unruly child, screaming, banging, and being a nuisance to everyone including him/herself. That said it seems like our culture views kids as a “lifestyle choice”. etc.. And we learned how to sit still. I love kids. Yes, we need to have certain expectations of kids, but in the end, they are still just KIDS, so I’m more willing to forgive most of the things they do. His name is Jamar. It is just a shame. Children are blessings, but there are certain places children don’t belong until they get a little older. If my kids can sit quietly through a whole movie, I don’t see why they should have to tolerate poor behaviour from other kids anymore than an adult should. I am offended by it. I couldn’t enjoy the movie at all (and not because of that child’s poor behaviour), but because the child was clearly scared. a fancy restaurant) unless I am sure they will behave. I know I don’t drag my kids running errands if it’s their naptime or haven’t eaten, cause then meltdowns are bound to happen. I strongly disapprove. i’m sorry. Although I can see how places might lose some business by implementing a kid-free policy, it is also possible they might gain business. Parents MUST make time for their children… time to raise, nurture, and teach. the goal of our family ministry team is to help all members of the church see the value in everyone and to bend to those needs (the older people in our church need a hymn or two, the teens like the drums, families prefer short rows with a little more wiggle room, some members prefer the scripture on the power point instead of flipping through their Bible. Question #1 ….If companies have a right to do what they want and ban children from their establishment, then why is it NOT okay for that same establishment to ban a particular race? Autistic? I have a strong willed son and we work very hard with him about his behavior but sometimes he has a melt down. How selfish to think a young couple trying to have a life together would not be accepted, because of a fussy child. I’d say it is much more a case of more and more punk kids being allowed to run wild than a lack of tolerance for kids in general. I understand your point, but I have a feeling the children in Jesus time knew how to behave in public, if their Jewish mothers were anything like the Jewish ladies I answered to! I think children should be taught to behave and that people should use common sense in bring a very small child who is not able to be taught to be quiet in public to a very adult setting, like a nice restaurant in the evenings. I totally “get” why it might be good to place some limitations… I think what disturbed me most was the commenting and the attitudes I saw in articles (not necessarily here on your post but other places) and on talk shows. He has never been able to sit still or be quiet since he was a baby. Living in Utah where family is king, I have to agree with this. As we have become a more mobile society, the extended family unit has become a thing of the past…which, to me, is so sad. I have 3 children (2, 4, and 6) and when I am shelling out bucks for a date, I want to have a conversation with my husband. Play as a big giant pet eating pellets of food, or become a fearsome predator in our top new online snake simulator games. as an adult you have that choice. I take my own children to fancy restaurants once in a great while, but it’s with the understanding that they’ll have to be especially grown up and be on their very best behavior. I have to say that I’m not completely surprised at this. Should those disturbances be addressed? If your kid needs a stroller, he’s probably a baby. If more parents were willing to ‘parent’ rather than do as they please with kids in tow, I would have more trouble with these policies. I often check my children because I think they might bug other people. Would you let your teen girls play hide and seek in Target yelling and squealing at each other? But all children cry sometimes. Also, do not forget that The children you ban from society now, will be the same children you will be expecting to care for you in your old age. I think you should go shopping whenever you need to – kids along or not! I can understand it, because I’ve been sitting in cafes where kids are making heaps of noise, getting very annoyed, thinking ‘How come I can’t even have peace and quiet when I don’t have my children with me.’. Requesting parents to escort their children out for disruptive behavior….NOT JUST TALKING but for screaming, crying, etc……..could work very effectively. Fortunately our daughter was always well-behaved, but while it has been irritating to be on a plane with screaming kids, I never would have dreamed of asking that family not to fly. I can’t imagine it would ever ‘ruin’ my meal/night. Persecuted because your kids aren’t welcome someplace? But then, that’s not really living is it? Airplanes? I like seeing whole families out together experiencing life. I think this is a great topic for discussion, but I think some people are taking it way too far. When dinner is upwards of $30 a plate I do not want to sit next to a 4 year old. It is such a switch going from the airplane where I am worried the whole time about getting dirty looks from fellow passengers despite my well behaved children to going into the Mexican culture where they are happy to see my kids. A responsible parent will respond to their child’s misbehavior and either correct or leave. She was scared to death, screaming and crying, and he was laughing about it! It is just as selfish for a parent to expect twenty people or more at diner to just deal with their child so you can finish your meal. Totally agree! In Austin, my hometown, Alamo Drafthouse has a strict no kids allowed in all their movies, offering instead kid-friendly hours and movies during certain times and days. I think parents these days are the ones acting out of line. We take them to “nice” restaurants for dinner; we enjoy time spent as a family, and don’t just want McDonald’s as our only option for dinner when we eat out. I have two small kids- 3 1/2 and 1 1/2. Parents can drop off their kids — the young ones can enjoy crafts and books; Mom and Dad can shop without the grabby hands or whining. And NO I would NOT want Ikea or Whole Foods or anyone else I haven’t personally screened, to watch my kids. If they can’t do 1 and 2 – we will leave, no exceptions. Feeling confident due to the earlier compliment, I approached them and said that I hoped the kids hadn’t disturbed them too much during the event. One person’s perception of my kids behavior and another’s were completely different (I thought they did GREAT, personally), and I’m pretty sure also depended on their own experiences (pretty sure the couple next to us was childless). Unfortunately there is always the chance that thesse people just don’t get “it” so keep your eyes out for an available pew:). There will be kids’ public places and adult public places. Honestly sometimes the best of children have meltdowns. People who don’t mind their manners while using a cellphone bother me FAR more than kids do (i.e, talking too loudly, driving poorly while using it, using it in a theater or restaurant, etc.) Now it amazes me how far parents will let a child go before taking action, if any at all. It also says they can be a curse. As for the comment about government intervention in other countries (like China) I’m not sure that’s the logical conclusion of private businesses laying down guidelines that should be common sense. The noise was so deafening I couldn’t hear myself think. The hot topic on the Internet this week has been “kid-free” zones in certain places — essentially banning children from certain events and arenas. what a joke! The other side of the discussion has to do with 1) how parents allow thier children to become the center of the universe, thus creating little monsters 2) how children who are un-trained and rule the roost of their households behave when in public places. Just my take. There should not be a 2 year old running around behind me during a violent PG13 movie- while the kid was annoying, I was also concerned about his well being. After church, we will go to coffee and donuts in the church hall.” When running errands, we would always lay out for them where we were going and what to expect. They just don’t do so for me. With two modes of play (Straight-Up and Ball), you'll find challenge and excitement with every shot. I don’t think it’s a matter of society becoming less tolerant of children. Those that don’t are ruining it for those that do. So much hate here. It’s scary how many people just jump at any chance they get to drop their kid off with who knows what kind of person. (And if she started acting up or causing a scene you can be sure I would get my food to go and try again another time!). If my little one talks all I have to do is give a look and the mouth is zipped. Banning children from public places aka ignoring parts of our population that are “unpleasant” doesn’t make them go away. If the parents don’t teach a child the proper way to act in a setting (be it at the grocery store, in a restaurant, or a movie theater), how will the child ever learn? I just wanna be left all alone, So step off me and go back home, I'll tell ya again, if you're not aware, That this is my own no no square. I think movie theaters should have time and movies just for kids. Being already stressed with his behavior, it makes you feel even more stress and judged. I unfortunately don’t have time to read all the other comments today, so someone may have said what I am thinking. A high end restaurant is one of them. I absolutely agree that certain places should be off limits to children. I wouldn’t think of taking any child under 8 to a nice restaurant. I think it’s sad when parents consistently seem to have no control, OR are always looking for ways (and the cultural trend seems to be this) to get rid of their kids so they can do their thing ‘in peace’ rather than engage and instruct and model what is proper and good to their kids. If we remove our kids from places where we don’t want them how will they learn early on. My concern is not how our society views children but how our society raises children. Does that make sense? Because if our WF offered that option (or Central Market, or Costco, or wherever) I would be all over the opportunity to shop while maintaining a harmonious inner dialogue about which box of cereal represents the best deal. I believe we are becoming a less biblical society. Well I certainly would have LOVED free childcare during my grocery shopping trip the other day. Although I am not a single parent I can emphasize with them. have kids’ menus, coloring pages & crayons, etc. Ok, so old people only should be allowed to drive after nine and before 4. I think the key is to find a church who shares your parenting philosophy. I know parenting can be tough, but I don’t think they are doing themselves or their children any favors. I think it’s very ironic, considering the individuals making these rules were once children too, they’ve just forgotten! If your kids can act appropriately in these settings, I applaud you! I have taken my kids with me everywhere too. If I go out on date night with hubby at 8pm to a nice restaurant I don’t want kids running around a restaurant disturbing everyone. The mom completely ignores this kid and his raging temper tantrum and calls the dad. People ask me how I do it, but I say I’ve never NOT done it. I think it should be about behaviour and not age. He was having a fit because his candy bar had melted in the car. 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